On Sunday, June 11, 2023, David Grusch, who NewsNation called the “UFO Whistleblower”, joined Ross Coulthart in a pre-recorded interview.
The interview aired in a one-hour special, which was 41 minutes and 55 seconds worth of content when commercials were removed. After the interview, NewsNation posted that interview video on their YouTube channel. However, for unknown reasons as of the writing of this page on The Black Vault, that video was pulled offline and is no longer available.
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Elizabeth Vargas 00:03
Tonight for the first time a former senior military intelligence officer comes forward to say what we’ve only imagined is true
Ross Coulthart 00:12
You are saying to the human race for the first time. We are not alone.
David Grusch 00:19
We’re definitely not alone
Elizabeth Vargas 00:21
Claims that our government has proof of alien life.
Ross Coulthart 00:25
We have spacecraft from another species.
David Grusch 00:28
We do. Yeah. How many? Quite a number. Some are landed some are crashed
Elizabeth Vargas 00:33
Allegations of a secret government program that is hidden the truth that technology from the world
David Grusch 00:41
there’s a sophisticated disinformation campaign targeting the US populace which is extremely unethical and immoral. And it’s totally totally frightening.
Elizabeth Vargas 00:45
From Roswell to the present day.
Gimbal Pilot 00:46
They are all, going against the wind, the winds 120 knots to the west.
David Grusch 00:47
There are non prosaic cases. 100% unexplainable misses, like tangible technical craft are seeing
Elizabeth Vargas 01:01
Is this decorated officer a liar?
Ross Coulthart 01:04
Why should we believe you?
Elizabeth Vargas 01:05
A fool?
Ross Coulthart 01:06
Is it possible that you’re deluding yourself?
Elizabeth Vargas 01:08
or a hero?
David Grusch 01:09
I’m a patriot, and I believe that truth the power in this.
Ross Coulthart 01:13
We’re talking about the biggest secret in human history.
Elizabeth Vargas 01:19
We are not alone. The UFO whistleblower speaks.
Elizabeth Vargas 01:23
Good evening. I’m Elizabeth Vargas. You’re to bring you a news nation exclusive interview with a man we’re calling the UFO whistleblower. David grush is a career intelligence official who this week is making some bombshell claims of the US government cover up going back nearly a century shedding light he says on that existential question, Are We Alone? News nation has confirmed David Grusch’s credentials and resume we have not seen or verified the alleged proof he says he’s provided to investigators, but we want you to hear his story so you can decide for yourself. Mr. grush sat down with investigative journalist Ross Coulthart who is reporting for news nation. Mr. Coulthart is an award winning journalist and author who is reported for the Australian version of 60 minutes, as well as other news programs in his home country, what you’re about to see as part of their conversation, touching on Mr. Grusch’s work with the UAP Task Force, his background and his service to this country, and the alleged secret military program about which he says the world needs to know.
Ross Coulthart 02:40
For decades the UFO question has been consigned to the realm of speculation, but in recent years, serious people have started taking the subject seriously.
Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick 02:51
You’ll see it come through the top of the screen… there it is.
Ross Coulthart 02:54
Prompted in part by the release of these videos purporting to show encounters between American naval aviators and what the Pentagon has labeled unidentified aerial or anomalous phenomena. Congress has convened hearings to determine what these UAP are, and what threat they might pose.
Scott Bray 03:16
If UAP do indeed represent a potential threat to our security than the capabilities systems, processes and sources we use to observe, record and study or analyze these phenomena need to be classified at appropriate levels.
Ross Coulthart 03:28
The Department of Defense has established a special team formerly known as the UAP Task Force recently renamed the all domain anomaly resolution office or AARO to investigate and identify what are now hundreds of reported sightings. So far, they have not confirmed any of them to constitute proof of alien life. Officially, the government continues to state we are indeed alone. But now for the first time, a former member of that official investigative team is speaking out telling a stunning story that impact every person on this planet. And now you’re about to meet that man for the very first time in this exclusive television interview.
Ross Coulthart 04:19
Welcome. Have a seat.
Ross Coulthart 04:25
Maybe start off telling me your name and who you are.
David Grusch 04:29
My name is David Grusch. You know, I came from a blue collar family in Pittsburgh and didn’t have the money for college. I always admired people in uniform. And I’ve always wanted to be a part of something bigger than myself. You know, 18 years ago, you know, I got an Air Force scholarship for physics. I originally commissioned on active duty in the Air Force, served 14 years in the Air Force.
Ross Coulthart 04:52
I look at this photograph Dave. And I see a very proud officer.
David Grusch 04:57
I was getting promoted to captain when I was deployed.
Ross Coulthart 05:00
Do you still love your country, don’t you?
David Grusch 05:02
Absolutely.
Ross Coulthart 05:03
A career intelligence officer grush spent time on the ground in Afghanistan and other places he can’t mention, before rotating back to Washington.
David Grusch 05:13
I was an Intel officer for the US for 14 years. My last position which I left in April of 2023. I co lead the UAP portfolio for the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency and some of the highest officials within the Department of Defense Intelligence Community used to call on me to advise them on some of the hardest target sets that the country had.
Ross Coulthart 05:36
You are one of the most trusted former intelligence officials in the US defense and intelligence establishment.
David Grusch 05:44
Yes, I was
Ross Coulthart 05:45
You were trusted with the most intimate secrets.
David Grusch 05:48
Yes.
Ross Coulthart 05:50
And he says the most earth shattering of those secrets were revealed after 2019 when he was invited to join the UAP Task Force.
Ross Coulthart 06:00
You had the security classifications to go anywhere and ask anyone, anything.
David Grusch 06:05
I had based on my formal security clearance and multiple polygraphs. I had the ability to be read into any program that I needed. At one point in time, I was extremely highly cleared.
Ross Coulthart 06:19
What conclusion did you come to at the end of your time on the UAP Task Force?
David Grusch 06:25
The UAP task force was refused access to a broad crash retrieval program.
Ross Coulthart 06:31
When you say crash retrieval, what do you mean?
David Grusch 06:34
These are retrieving non human origin? Technical vehicles, you know, call it spacecraft, if you will, non human exotic origin vehicles that have either landed or crashed.
Ross Coulthart 06:46
We have spacecraft from another species?
David Grusch 06:49
We do? Yeah.
Ross Coulthart 06:50
How many?
David Grusch 06:52
Quite a number.
Ross Coulthart 06:53
You’re kidding.
David Grusch 06:54
No. I thought it was totally nuts. And I thought at first I was being deceived. It was a ruse. People started confiding in me, they approached me, I have plenty of current former senior intelligence officers that came to me many which I knew almost my whole career, that can invited me they were a part of a program, they named the program. I’ve never heard of it. And they they told me based on their oral testimony, and they provided me documents and other other proof that there was in fact, a program that the UAP task force was not read into.
Ross Coulthart 07:29
You are alleging that the US government has been concealing the existence on this planet of alien life.
David Grusch 07:39
I would couch it as non human intelligence, you know, NHI, like we like to say in our language…
Ross Coulthart 07:45
Why do you say that? Why do you say NHI?
David Grusch 07:47
I don’t want to necessarily denote origin. I don’t think we have all the data to say, Oh, they’re coming from a certain a certain location. And I counted as somebody who studied physics where maybe they’re coming from a different physical dimension, as described in quantum mechanics. We know there’s extra dimensions due to higher high energy particle collisions, etc. And there’s a theoretical framework to explain that. Yeah, just
Ross Coulthart 08:10
Let me cut to the quick that you’re saying. There is an intelligent species engaging with this planet.
David Grusch 08:17
Yes, that’s potentially extraterrestrial. Yeah.
Ross Coulthart 08:20
I speak for everybody sitting at home. That is a shock.
David Grusch 08:24
It was to me and I had a lot of sleepless nights.
Ross Coulthart 08:29
Grusch says he’s never personally seen nonhuman intelligence. But he’s spoken to enough people directly involved in what he calls the program. But he’s convinced it’s real.
David Grusch 08:42
I started out as a non believer, I came to the problem as a hardcore physics guy, Intel officer. So I have a you know, excuse my language hype factor. I was very methodical, interviewing people who didn’t know each other, making sure this wasn’t some kind of cover up of some other program.
Ross Coulthart 08:59
He says he pressed to gain direct access to this program, and that’s when his trouble started. Grusch claims his investigation was stymied his requests for access rebuffed
David Grusch 09:11
They shut the door in my face. They denied me access to these programs
Ross Coulthart 09:15
Sooner after he says he endured reprisals and retaliation from above. He then reported that information to the intelligence community inspector general, that’s why he’s filed this whistleblower complaint. He says that experience is why he decided to go public here, and in a recent article written by Leslie Keane in The Debrief, you’re not being paid for this interview.
David Grusch 09:41
No, I’m not.
Ross Coulthart 09:42
Why are you doing this?
David Grusch 09:44
It’s a sense of service you know, call me a boy scout or whatever it just when I saw the kind of wrongdoing I did, I don’t want to be 6070 years old in the future and have that you know, coulda, shoulda woulda kind of feeling where I could have made a difference. I did not want to live a life of regret.
Ross Coulthart 10:04
You are saying to the human race, for the first time, an official intelligence representative at a high level from the US government is saying publicly, we are not alone.
David Grusch 10:19
We’re definitely not alone. Absolutely. The data points empirically, that we’re not alone. Yeah.
Ross Coulthart 10:24
You’ve said that we have the United States has spacecraft, intact craft we do. Do we have bodies? Do we have species?
David Grusch 10:37
Well, naturally, when you recover something that’s either landed or crashed? Sometimes you encounter that pilots and believe it or not as fast as fantastical as that sounds. It’s true.
Ross Coulthart 10:52
Have you seen spacecraft?
David Grusch 10:54
I’ve seen some interesting photos. And I’ve read some very interesting reports.
Ross Coulthart 10:58
But he says the specific documents and photos that would prove his claims are still classified, and he cannot disclose them here. Let’s deal with the issue of your credibility. Why should we believe you? You’re just somebody coming out of nowhere, making claims that we really, ultimately can’t prove?
David Grusch 11:21
Yeah. Well, we provided the proof internally to the inspector general, and the hill staff with wind all the details. I mean, I have the credentials. I was an intelligence officer on the AP Task Force.
Ross Coulthart 11:35
But let’s face it, allegations of aliens into their spacecraft are hard to accept, even coming from a respected insider, even if you call them in a chai and UAP. How could such NHI travel to worth in the first place and go undetected by the general public grush says the craft may not be traveling through space, as we understand it, it is
David Grusch 12:00
A well established fact at least mathematically and based on empirical observation and analysis that there most likely are physical, additional spatial dimensions. And you can imagine, four and five-D space were what we experienced as linear time ends up being a physical dimension for in higher dimensional space where if you were living there, you could translate across what we perceive as a linear flow. So there is a possibility that n is a theory here. I’m not saying this is 100% the case, but it could be that this is not necessarily extraterrestrial, and that’s actually coming from a higher dimensional physical space that might be co located. You know, right here.
Ross Coulthart 12:49
what can you tell me about these craft these technologies? Why do you know, it’s exotic,
David Grusch 12:55
Based on the very specific properties that I was briefed on, you know, isotopic ratios that would have to be engineered for it to be at those levels, but also just extremely strange, heavy, atomic metal, you know, high up at the periodic table, arrangements that we don’t understand, you know, what the emergent properties are, but there’s just a very strange mix of elements.
Ross Coulthart 13:25
So you’re absolutely sure that the materials that these crafts are made of, clearly not of this earth?
David Grusch 13:34
Yeah, they’re sophisticatedly engineered, certainly not by humans.
Ross Coulthart 13:39
And while Grusch says the US has gleaned some insight from these materials for military use, so much more could be done. If academia and the private sector had access,
David Grusch 13:52
it’s totally nuts that you humanity as a whole, especially, you know, the US citizenry as a whole, they’re not even benefiting from broad research on this to solve, you know, propulsion, energy issues, novel material science that can improve people’s quality of life. It’s just totally nuts. How it’s been protected and inhibits progress,
Ross Coulthart 14:16
If you will, right. If you’re telling us the truth, everyone, the entire American public has been lied to for decades.
David Grusch 14:26
Yeah, there’s a sophisticated disinformation campaign targeting the US populace, which is extremely unethical and immoral.
Ross Coulthart 14:34
Coming up. How long has this been going on?
David Grusch 14:37
A lot of the things I was briefed on were very shocking.
Ross Coulthart 14:52
So let’s just start from the very beginning. You say it’s a 90 year cover up Just about
David Grusch 15:00
Yeah.
Ross Coulthart 15:01
90 years.
David Grusch 15:02
1933 was the first recovery in Europe in Magenta, Italy, they recovered a partially intact vehicle.
Ross Coulthart 15:11
It’s long been known that the regime of dictator Benito Mussolini, documented numerous UAP. During this time, this internal memo from the Italian secret services includes crude drawings of the UA peas. It’s true, it’s real.
David Grusch 15:30
Yeah, that actually happened. The Italian government moved it to a secure airbase in Italy for the rest of kind of the fascist regime until 1944 1945. And you know, the Pope Pius the 12th, back channeled that. So the Vatican was involved. Yeah, and told the Americans what the Italians had, and we ended up scooping it.
Ross Coulthart 15:49
So let’s be very clear about this. You’re saying that the Catholic Church, the Vatican, they know about the existence of nonhuman intelligence on this planet?
David Grusch 15:58
Certainly.
Ross Coulthart 16:00
Grusch says shortly after the dawn of the Atomic Age, another major crash recovery took place. You’ve probably heard of it. What can you tell me about the Roswell craft?
David Grusch 16:12
Fortunately, those details were not approved for me to talk about right now.
Ross Coulthart 16:18
This much we know. In 1947, an object crashed in the New Mexico desert near the town of Roswell, the Air Force recovered material described as metallic and rubbery. Though the government changed its story as to what it was calling it a flying disc at first, then a weather or spy balloon, it just read ridiculous to me that the US Air Force had changed its story.
David Grusch 16:44
Yeah, and they added additional elements over time and and tried to conflate additional programs to explain some of the events.
Ross Coulthart 16:53
Why are these things crashing?
David Grusch 16:54
Yeah, you know, some, some are landed some are crashed and I think that’s an interesting discussion that’s come up, you know, is advanced as you know, we are you know, as humans, right, you know, planes crash cars crash just because you’re some advanced sentience that has advanced technology doesn’t mean some small percentage of your use the airforce term like sorties, you know, meet unfortunate operational conclusion as as, as we might want to say,
Ross Coulthart 17:24
Most people would tell you the Roswell incident has been thoroughly debunked. In fact, the Air Force published this report in 1994. To put the issue to rest once and for all Grusch has read it,
David Grusch 17:39
That analysis that didn’t was a total hack job and even anybody with analytical skills. If you read it, you can, you can deduce that they’re conflating multiple situations with crash test dummies and then mogul balloons. And they’re just saying that the townsfolk who personally witnessed it are totally imagining things, they concocted that whole report just a different form.
Ross Coulthart 18:02
So the reason for the secrecy exactly is what?
David Grusch 18:08
Feudalistic dominance who can have both asymmetric asymmetric technology for seems like just fueling the war machine.
Ross Coulthart 18:17
Grusch says that through the 50s and 60s encounters with the NHI continued, as did the cover up one incident in 1967, about which multiple Air Force veterans have gone public involved UAPs tampering with the nuclear missiles at Malmstrom Air Base in Montana, they saw a craft appearing to be intelligently controlled, hovered over a nuclear weapons silo, and shut down 10 Nuclear ICBM missiles.
David Grusch 18:51
It certainly looks like they want to understand how far we’ve advanced in our nucular fissile kind of technologies at the very least, I mean, it looks like preparatory probing activity, it might be innocent kind of scientific gathering could be ISR probing.
Ross Coulthart 19:08
Meanwhile, Grusch says the crash retrieval program continued. And while he won’t reveal where the downed crafts are stored, he does say that the people working with the technology have been putting themselves at risk.
David Grusch 19:24
And a lot of them know were injured. Looking at some of this stuff. You can imagine the nuclear radiological biological risk to looking at an unknown unknown, and a lot of them have literally suffered physically because of their service.
Ross Coulthart 19:39
But as we know, anyone who’s come forward claiming non human intelligence is behind these incidents has been dismissed as delusional or deliberately deceitful. If you’re right. If you’re telling us the truth, everyone, the entire American public has been lied to for decades.
David Grusch 20:01
Yeah, there’s a sophisticated disinformation campaign targeting the US populace which is extremely unethical and immoral.
Ross Coulthart 20:09
Coming up with new evidence and perhaps new attitudes in a new age of UAPs. The American people need and deserve to know more has the US government changed its tune?
Ross Coulthart 20:33
These are the videos that started it all footage captured by naval aviators on military grade cameras that defied all prosaic explanation. Dave grush has investigated this one shot in 2015 off the east coast by fighter pilots from the USS Theodore Roosevelt. There is an industry of debunkers out there on the web, who say, Oh, they’ve got this wrong. It’s a jet exhaust at a distance and the aircraft’s turning. Give me an answer on that.
David Grusch 21:05
I had some optical engineering experts look at that. And Raytheon at FLIR system based on the pixel saturation and apparent size, it’s certainly something that’s not a jet. It might be some kind of natural phenomenon. It’s quite strange, but it’s not as simple as a jet.
Ross Coulthart 21:22
He has even stronger opinions about this UAP now known to history as the tic tac shot in 2004 in the Pacific by aviators off the USS Nimitz, and the tic tac?
David Grusch 21:37
Truly anomalous, absolutely. Technical vehicle physical and that’s absolutely something that we didn’t make.
Ross Coulthart 21:45
Not of this world.
David Grusch 21:46
Most likely, yeah.
Ross Coulthart 21:47
The videos were leaked in 2017, then officially released by the Pentagon in 2020. At the time, it seemed the Pentagon may have finally abandoned its obsession with secrecy, and decided to do what other countries have been doing for decades. Establish a properly funded publicly accountable team to investigate reports of UAP Dave Grusch was part of their team.
Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick 22:14
This is a hunt mission for what might somebody be doing in our backyard that we don’t know about?
Ross Coulthart 22:20
The task force set about investigating these incidents, including more recent events like the odd encounters that took place during naval exercises in 2019, off the coast of San Diego. This video shot on the USS Omaha and later leaked to documentarian Jeremy Cole bill has received Particular attention. It either zooms off so fast, you can’t see it or it sinks into the ocean, but it seems to drop. What do you know about it?
David Grusch 22:51
It was truly anomalous,
Ross Coulthart 22:52
But Grusch says the promised new age of government transparency is a fallacy. For starters, he says the videos that have been released are just the tip of the iceberg.
David Grusch 23:03
There are many videos that are totally fair to release through a declassification process. And I find it very concerning from a transparency perspective, that all that the department has declassified, or those three famous videos, there are more concerning videos that left me with a lot of questions. Yeah,
Ross Coulthart 23:23
he says there are credible witnesses who could testify to Congress about spacecraft, big spacecraft.
David Grusch 23:31
A lot of them were very large, very large, like a football field kinda size. And I remember interviewing these personnel, I’m like an either these people are lying to me, or having a psychotic break, or this is crazy, but true stuff that’s happening. And I have no good explanation that’s prosaic at all for this because this is not explainable by, you know, swamp gas, st Alamos fire ball, lightning, etc, etc. I mean, this is like tangible technical craft or seeing up close and personal in some cases, when I interviewed people,
Ross Coulthart 24:06
And at the center of it all the crash retrieval program, the government has never publicly acknowledged a program Grusch says that’s included at least one private aerospace company that is storing alien craft. Is that true?
David Grusch 24:24
That is how a lot of these relationships are. While I don’t want to name the specific companies and government elements, but overall, you know, the government has been the custodian of a lot of this right and they’ll they’ll hand receipt it out to clear defense contractor to do some analysis, which I find highly unethical. You have basically a sole source arrangement and you allow certain private corporate elements to look at this develop but a potential insight and then sell it back to the government for profit. And I think that’s totally unethical.
Ross Coulthart 24:59
The problem you’ve got is there have been categorical denials from high level officials in the US government, even presidents, that what you’re saying is true.
David Grusch 25:11
Unfortunately, some elected officials were not brought in.
Ross Coulthart 25:14
Only a few weeks ago 19th of April, the head of the Pentagon’s UAP investigations program, Dr. Shawn Kirkpatrick told Congress AARO that’s the Pentagon’s UFO investigation body has found no credible evidence thus far of extra terrestrial activity offworld technology, or objects that defy the known laws of physics,
Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick 25:42
While a large number of cases in our holdings remain technically unresolved, this is primarily due to a lack of data associated with those cases.
Ross Coulthart 25:51
Was that a lie?
David Grusch 25:53
Well, I know Dr. Shawn Kirkpatrick. I’ve known him for about eight years. And, you know, I expressed some concerns to Dr. Kirkpatrick about a year ago, and I told him when I was starting to uncover, and he didn’t follow up with me, and he has my phone number he could have called me. I hope he ultimately does the right thing. He should be able to make the same investigative discoveries I did. It’s totally crazy if he doesn’t.
Ross Coulthart 26:19
So the implication here is that the head of the very body that Congress has ordered to tell the American public the truth, about UAPs is possibly misleading the American public, do you think the American public is being lied to?
David Grusch 26:37
Well, they’ve been lied to over the years. And I’m hoping that the lie stop coming up.
Ross Coulthart 26:43
It gets even scarier. The UFO whistleblower says the NHI eyes aren’t all friendly, have human beings being hurt or killed by a nonhuman intelligence and guess who they might be working with?
David Grusch 27:02
And we’re in a competition with their adversaries to understand this. And it’s a it’s a multi decade cold war that has been under our nose for so long.
Ross Coulthart 27:18
The common interpretation from some commentators is that there is a nonhuman species and it’s incredibly benevolently well disposed to the human race.
David Grusch 27:29
Yeah. And I think that is a logical fallacy there is because they’re advanced, they’re kind we’ll never really understand full intent in that because we’re we’re not them, whatever them is, are. But I think what appears to be beloved and activity has has happened based on not only nucular sight probing activities, witness testimony, I think at least we look at it through a humanistic lens. It does appear negative, at least to us.
Ross Coulthart 28:03
I’ve been told that there have been attempts to bring down craft that we’ve acted offensively against non human craft.
David Grusch 28:14
There have been instances and there are certain techniques.
Ross Coulthart 28:18
Have human beings being hurt or killed by a nonhuman intelligence?
David Grusch 28:26
Well, I can’t get into the specifics, because that would reveal certain us classified operations. I was briefed by a few individuals on the program that there were malevolent events like that.
Ross Coulthart 28:38
Now, I’m scared. People have just heard you say nonhumans… may will have murdered human beings.
David Grusch 28:49
That seems to be the case at one point Yeah.
Ross Coulthart 28:53
And there’s more. grush says the United States is not the only country that’s encountered NHI and their technology. He says our geopolitical rivals have their own crash retrieval programs, which they are also secretly exploiting for military purposes.
David Grusch 29:12
We’re in a competition with their adversaries to understand this. And it’s a it’s a multi decade cold war that has been under our nose for so long. And, you know, there is no good way to level the playing field and hold other nation states accountable if they’re doing unethical or illicit activity as it relates to the subject. And I think the up to secrecy is actually putting us in a very dangerous position where a country might make a breakthrough that say we it’s an adversary of ours. And it is so destabilizing.
Ross Coulthart 29:49
You say there’s been a Cold War behind the scenes with Russia and China.
David Grusch 29:54
There has been a cold war against our with our with our peer adversaries. Yeah.
Ross Coulthart 30:00
Why hasn’t Russia or China come out and spoken publicly about this?
David Grusch 30:05
I think they’re in a similar pickle as us where it’s, they understand maybe the some of the socio economic destabilization factors in their own society.
Ross Coulthart 30:13
But if this nonhuman intelligence is so advanced, and at least some of them are malevolent, why haven’t they destroyed us already, perhaps some fragile yet combustible detente has been reached. grush has written an internal document about his discoveries, that refers to agreements that risk putting our future in jeopardy, it is quite clear that you’re talking about agreements between America and non human intelligences. Have we made agreements with non human intelligences?
David Grusch 30:50
That’s the kind of information I really hope national leadership is able to get to the bottom of
Ross Coulthart 30:56
I need to pin you down on this are the agreements between non human intelligences and the American government?
David Grusch 31:02
I think that’s a question that I would like to know all the details of as well.
Ross Coulthart 31:09
We do know of at least one agreement among humans that’s worth noting this 1971 agreement between the US and the USSR on measures to reduce the risk of nuclear war, whether or not you believe Dave grush, this document proves the two superpowers were aware that UAP existed, what ever they were.
David Grusch 31:34
If you look at Article Three of that treaty, it talks about identified objects near nuclear facilities are interfering with communications. And that is a treaty that’s has been used from what I understand to notify each other if there’s a concerning event.
Ross Coulthart 31:52
And that’s a way of saying to the Russians, hey, don’t shoot it is it’s not us.
David Grusch 31:55
Yeah, I mean, that’s certainly a concern, because of the secrecy it has. There is an environment where you could have almost like a false flag where true, non prosaic, UAP situation could be construed arrived, as you know, a provocation of something from a nation state. And we want to de escalate that.
Ross Coulthart 32:16
If this is true, if the stakes are so high, if the fate of the human race is at stake. Perhaps it’s no surprise to hear grush say the US government will do anything to keep the secrets safe. Can I put it to you that crimes must have been committed?
David Grusch 32:35
At the very least I saw substantive evidence that white collar crime was committed,
Ross Coulthart 32:40
Have people been killed to protect the secret?
David Grusch 32:44
Based on the people I talked to? That was an ongoing concern. Yeah, unfortunately, I’ve heard some really unAmerican things I don’t want to repeat right now.
Ross Coulthart 32:54
So you have a strong suspicion that people have been murdered to protect this?
David Grusch 32:59
Over the years. Yeah,
Ross Coulthart 33:00
Coming up a reality check. Is it possible that you’re deluding yourself, it’s time to put our whistleblowers credibility to the test. Everybody watching this right now is looking at your face. They’re going it’s this guy for real?
Ross Coulthart 33:25
Let’s talk about what Dave Grusch doesn’t have. He doesn’t have smoking gun documents or photos. He doesn’t have official confirmation of his claims. He’s just a guy talking on camera. And a lot of his answers to our most pointed questions sound like this. Can you comment? Unfortunately, I cannot. So who is this guy really?
David Grusch 33:48
I don’t want fame or fortune. I’m just here to provide public leadership on an issue that I uncovered and I thought it was totally outrageous.
Ross Coulthart 33:57
News Nation has confirmed through multiple sources that Dave Grusch is who he says he is. An Air Force veteran from Pittsburgh, who worked in military intelligence and was part of the UAP Task Force. Maybe he’s just a confident well spoken ex military intelligence officer who just happens to have lost his mind. Do you have any kind of mental illness? No. Have you ever had a psychosis? Is there anything in your medical history that might be capable of being interpreted as a reason why you might be confabulating making things up.
David Grusch 34:37
I’m not a disgruntled employee, I resigned on my own accord because I thought altruistically it’s more appropriate to show thought leadership on the outside on this now because I you know, hit an impasse within the government to try to right this wrong.
Ross Coulthart 34:51
So I’ve got to be blunt about this. You’re not making this up. This is not a lie.
David Grusch 34:55
No, absolutely not.
Ross Coulthart 34:58
Because everybody watching this right now is looking at your face. They’re going, “is this guy for real?”
David Grusch 35:06
I am for real. And I’m in I’m sitting here at great personal risk and obvious professional risk by talking to you today.
Ross Coulthart 35:15
You’ve told us that we really are not alone. Even though you believe what you say is true. You haven’t been fed disinformation. It’s a common thing in intelligence for governments to mislead.
David Grusch 35:29
Yeah, I was very sensitive that fact. You know, was this some kind of ruse against me and my being used in any kind of way. And I took about four years being very methodical before I found my my whistleblower complaint to be absolutely certain of these basic facts.
Ross Coulthart 35:47
So take me through the process of how you convinced yourself that this is real.
David Grusch 35:53
Or based on the credential people that came to me, some of the subjects provided be sensitive foreign intelligence to read, sensitive program documents and photographs to evaluates and then described in very specific detail how all this worked. And they were telling me that the exact extremely specific details that all it all checked out, yeah.
Ross Coulthart 36:18
You know, the thing I have trouble with, it’s the fact that my experience as a journalist is, it’s very hard for governments to keep secrets. Most things leak, your government leaks like a sieve. Why hasn’t this leaked?
David Grusch 36:34
Well, I’ve certainly been the recipient of a lot of US government secrets. And I can tell you, they’ve never seen the light of day, that’s for sure. And I guess ostensibly, this has leaked like a sieve for decades. But it was a very sophisticated disinformation, that campaign where, you know, they have allowed some of the truth to come out through some of their trade crafts, but they’ve disenfranchise people. They’ve stigmatized it, they made it like as total like wacky thing to talk about. So anybody who may come forward with that kind of information is looked like a, you know, total tinfoil hat guy, because it’s a perfect amalgamation of disinformation to just make it look crazy.
Ross Coulthart 37:16
The best reason to believe Dave Grusch, maybe this document, remember that whistleblower complaint he filed? It would seem it hasn’t fallen on deaf ears. So the Inspector General of the intelligence services of the United States has the information you’ve got Yes. And more importantly, the Inspector General made a determination about the credibility of your complaint.
David Grusch 37:42
They found after interviewing myself in the subjects and other subjects that I’m not even Cognizant on who they were. They found my complaint urgent and credible. For the intelligence committees.
Ross Coulthart 37:54
The word credible is important you appreciate. So an official investigatory body of the United States government has determined that your allegations are credible. Correct. Coming up? If it is true, then what? What are we going to do if the biggest secret on the planet is now out in the open? And what are they going to do? How will the nonhuman intelligence react?
Ross Coulthart 38:32
This is one of the gravest constitutional crises for your country ever. Absolutely. Give me some hope here. There are good people.
David Grusch 38:42
There are very good people. And I want that message to be crystal clear. Let’s not demonize holistically the US government. There’s a whole army of people that want change. I am one of 10s, if not hundreds of individuals within the government on these programs that would like to change.
Ross Coulthart 39:01
What kind of change does David Grusch want? As he said here tonight, he wants the NHI technology to be shared, so the rest of the world can benefit from it.
David Grusch 39:11
And I use nuclear weapons or nuclear physics as an example. It’s it acknowledged program. We have nuclear weapons. You don’t get to know the designs but nuclear physics holistically is unclassified. Academia studies it and why would you suppress basic astrophysics astrobiology, other hard and soft sciences? Broadly, it’s totally nuts.
Ross Coulthart 39:34
Grusch has left the government he wasn’t part of AARO during the most recent congressional hearings, when still more UAP were revealed, including this one captured by a drone in the Middle East in 2022. Eric goes his whistleblower case will take months to conclude. In the meantime, he says he’s starting a scientific foundation. And he’s willing to speak to anyone in Washington who has the clearance and the desire to hear the classified information he could not share here,
David Grusch 40:10
I make myself available to Secretary Austin DNI Haynes who was a recipient of my complaints. I’m happy to further brief elected officials on the specific ecosystem is secrecy down to the fine details.
Ross Coulthart 40:25
Whoever they are. How will the nonhuman intelligence react to the revelation that human beings now know? They’re here?
David Grusch 40:35
Yeah, I mean, obviously, the nonhuman intelligence is have been around for a while, at least multiple decades in modern history, and they’ve allowed ourselves to annihilate ourselves, genocide, war, famine, etc. So at the very least, I think they’re kind of neutral on what humans decide to do with their free will.
Ross Coulthart 40:52
And as for how we, the human race will react to his story. Here grush even says that quintessentially human characteristic optimism.
David Grusch 41:03
And I don’t have this utopian ideology that this is going to, you know, solve real problems stop war entirely. But all I want is a moment of pause and then to see if the subject unites us as we’ve obviously become more divided over the last couple of decades.
Ross Coulthart 41:17
Because if anything else, what you’re revealing may mean, we all start thinking of ourselves, not as American, Australian, Russian, Chinese, but as human
David Grusch 41:29
Human family. I think that’s totally the right term. Yeah.
41:43
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